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04 April 2017 @ 09:30 am
LJ and Echoes  
Sounds like the new TOS may be the start of a final wave of LJ diaspora. We're down low enough on people that it won't make sense to stay here longer if we lose another, oh, say 30-50% of 'em. It's already kind of a ghost town.

(ETA: looks like a lot of folks are going to DreamWidth, and the migration path is pretty painless. Don't know what I'm doing yet, but that's a possibility.)
Ethan Frantz: Harp Lapef2p on April 4th, 2017 08:32 pm (UTC)
I accepted them. But yeah, I'm thinking it's time to jump ship.
Noahangelbob on April 4th, 2017 08:35 pm (UTC)
Those terms where I've looked up the relevant Russian Federation laws don't seem unusually bad for a corporation. But "no worse than usual for a corporation, plus different legal jurisdiction, plus terms can change at random" is already pretty bad. With US laws, there *are* some weirdnesses you just have to know about. I'd be shocked if Russian law was different.

And for Russian law I don't already know them.
dr4b on April 4th, 2017 11:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I just went and wrote a script to delete all of my entries (but keep the account login so I can at least follow whether other people also go to Dreamwidth).

Turns out LJ has a post rate limit though, so after deleting like 500 entries it basically said "lol stop spamming our server you're posting too frequently".
Noahangelbob on April 4th, 2017 11:43 pm (UTC)
Yeah, figure I'll leave my entries up. Need to run a download script to make sure I have a copy of my stuff, though.
dr4b on April 4th, 2017 11:45 pm (UTC)
I mirrored my journal to Dreamwidth, which even copied over all of the comments and everything. No idea if that works for you or not, but it is really simple.
Noahangelbob on April 4th, 2017 11:51 pm (UTC)
Probably a good idea. *sigh*
topum: pic#125858796topum on April 5th, 2017 01:21 am (UTC)
I think it is the usual overreaction and "Putin panic" but secretly I want everyone to abandon LJ so that I can be the only one who remained here and rule the place alone.
Noahangelbob on April 5th, 2017 02:45 am (UTC)
The best-considered "I'm leaving" response I've seen so far basically went, "Russia outlaws all sorts of things, including my sexual preferences, and it'll be very hard to make sure I'm not breaking Russian laws while talking about my day-to-day life."

Which, y'know, fair. For starters, the user agreement said you had to appropriately label "mature" all content that might (in the opinion of Russia) be inappropriate for the under-18 set... And there's a bunch of "no breaking Russian law" bits where I simply don't know the relevant Russian law, nor have anybody reliable to ask (the Internet doesn't count for this.)

topum: pic#125858796topum on April 5th, 2017 02:59 am (UTC)
Yes, this makes sense in theory but I absolutely do not think any of this will be enforced on us, international users. We are about 5 percent of total users here I think with almost no audience, etc. They are mainly concerned with those Russian blogger with big Russian audiences, nobody will be spending time to enforce it in my journal with all my 17 readers I think. I will actually test it soon, I think it is interesting to see if they will react to a provocative post from me which I won't label "mature content".