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28 April 2015 @ 05:31 pm
Recruiters and Tradeoffs  
Don't think I'll put this up on my main blog, because I don't think I want to be the guy known for saying this, but...

There is a surprisingly clear, solid correlation between an external recruiter submitting my resume to a company and me getting a poor result on the interview.

Specifically: the same interview is generally perceived more poorly by the company if I was submitted by an external recruiter, even compared to an internal recruiter, a manager there emailing me off LinkedIn, etc.

I won't say I've never had it go well. I basically always do well if it's a strongly technical interview. But a mildly technical interview tends to swing well if no external recruiter, or poorly with an external recruiter.

I can think of a few reasons that might be. I may represent myself better when I'm direct. The company may be more cautious if there's going to be an extra price tag attached to me. The company may just have reflexive distrust of external recruiters -- wouldn't be shocking.

But to add to the problems with going through a headhunter or external recruiting company, I'd add in my own experience: I'm less likely to get the job, even with the same interview.
 
 
 
geekgirlwarsop on April 29th, 2015 04:33 am (UTC)
If you don't want to be the person saying it, should this be a public post?

FWIW, I've seen the external recruiter thing go well only a couple of times. The thing that those had in common is that the external recruiter seemed to be very good about screening both clients and candidates, and the external recruiter has built up a list of clients that like the results from that particular external recruiter.
Noahangelbob on April 29th, 2015 03:20 pm (UTC)
I'll be very surprised if this LJ entry goes viral ;-)

That makes sense on the external recruiter thing. I haven't worked with a lot of them from the inside-the-company perspective.
Ethan Frantz: Harp Lapef2p on April 29th, 2015 06:10 pm (UTC)
My experience with external recruiters is that they don't spend the time to understand the true business need for the position or the core strength of the candidate. That leads them to trying to fill a round hold with a square peg.

Noahangelbob on April 29th, 2015 06:58 pm (UTC)
Certainly true.

I've done a bit of analyzing the company for them ("you probably want to look at this position, they're probably this kind of company"), but that only helps so much.
The Onion Girl: orly?tshuma on April 30th, 2015 04:17 pm (UTC)
This is why, in this period where I'm not really looking for an out from my current gig and getting contacted every week by someone, I tend to find out if they're internal or external before continuing a dialogue. If they're external, it is not usually worth my time or theirs to pursue it further.
Noahangelbob on April 30th, 2015 05:04 pm (UTC)
Sounds like a great way to proceed.
The Onion Girl: annoyedtshuma on May 1st, 2015 01:35 am (UTC)
Mind you, an external recruiter doesn't like hearing "I prefer to work only with in-house recruiting organizations, thank you." I've gotten the occasional huffy reply about their exclusive customer base and such.

They're not wrong, it's just that it's a very tilted market at the moment, and not in their favor.
Noahangelbob on May 1st, 2015 02:36 am (UTC)
If I'm deeply worried about huffy replies from recruiters, I need to change many of my life tactics.